Arguments 2

  • Pc 54, Disrespectful after admonition
  • Pc 64, Concealing another's serious offense
  • Pc 65, Ordaining someone less than 20 years old
  • Pc 68, Not relinquishing an evil view
  • Pc 69, Suspended bhikkhu
  • Pc 70, Expelled novice
  • Pc 74, Hitting a bhikkhu
  • Pc 75, Threatening gesture

Pc 54, Disrespectful after admonition

Different offenses for showing disrespect:

When the admonition is related to a specific rule in the Vinaya (i.e. any rule laid down by the Buddha), the offense is pācittiya.

When the admonition relates to general behaviour of being self-effacing, scrupulous, etc., the offense is dukkaṭa.

The validity of the admonition is not a factor.

Disrespect can be expressed to the rule, to the person, by word or by gesture. It doesn't matter to whom this is expressed, doesn't have to be face-to-face with the admonisher.

Being disrespectful after being criticized by a lay person is a dukkaṭa.

There is no offense in politely discussing that one was taught differently somewhere else.

One should be suvaco (easy to speak to), rather than anādariyo (disrespectful, rude, contemptuous).

A ploy to avoid being criticized is Pc 71.

Pc 64, Concealing another's serious offense

A bhikkhu doesn't inform the community about another bhikkhu's serious offense, possibly out wishing to save him from the consequences or embarrassment.

There is no offense in not informing the community, if one's motivation is not to hide the offense, but for example waiting to inform the abbot first.

Offenses committed together: when two or more bhikkhus have committed the same offense on the same occasion, they should confess it to another bhikkhu, to avoid motivations of concealing the offense.

The same offense, committed at different occasions, may be confessed together, but it is common to confess it separately in any case.

Concealing out of fear is not an offense (afraid of the person, or afraid of being seen as a troublemaker).

Pc 65, Ordaining someone less than 20 years old

A person's age here is counted from the time he had become a fetus in her mother's womb (subtracting six months to the date of birth: 19.5 years old legally, 20 years old since conception).

Having been ordained younger, invalidates the ordination.

The pācittiya offense is incurred by the upajjhāya at the upasampadā.

Pc 68, Not relinquishing an evil view

A bhikkhu wants to do something he knows to be declared improper for him:

"As I understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, those acts the Blessed One says are obstructive, when engaged in are not genuine obstructions."

'Obstructions' include the five ānantarika-kamma, persisting in extreme wrong views and intentional transgression of training rules.

The other bhikkhus should reprimand him. If he relinquishes his view, there is no penalty.

A bhikkhu who doesn't respond after being formally rebuked, should be suspended.

Example in the Commentary:

A bhikkhu reasons: "Since pleasurable forms ... sounds ... smells ... tastes ... touch are allowable, such as the touch of soft carpets and clothing. Then why shouldn't the sight, sound, smell, taste, and feel of a woman be proper? They too are proper!" Thus... comparing a mustard seed with Mount Sineru, he gives rise to the evil view, "Why did the Blessed One -- binding the ocean, as it were, with great effort -- formulate the first pārājika training rule? There is nothing wrong with that act."

Response in the text of Pc 68:

“Foolish man, who do you think I have taught like this? I have said that there is little enjoyment in worldly pleasures, but much suffering and much trouble, and that the danger in them is greater. I have said that worldly pleasures are similar to a skeleton ... a piece of meat ... a grass torch ... a pit of coals ... a dream ... borrowed goods ... fruits on a tree ... a knife and chopping block ... swords and stakes ... a snake's head; they are much suffering and much trouble, and the danger in them is greater."

Pc 69, Suspended bhikkhu

Other bhikkhus should not commune, affiliate (e.g. participate in pāṭimokkha) or lie down in the same dwelling with a suspended bhikkhu.

There is no offense if one knows the bhikkhu has already given up his wrong view, but has not yet been formally restored.

Pc 70, Expelled novice

A novice who persists in holding onto such wrong views should be expelled. This can mean being told to leave and disrobe, or told to leave and possibly live at another monastery as a novice there.

A novice may be also expelled when he breaks his precepts habitually and is not intending to correct his behaviour.

Afterwards, the bhikkhus should not befriend him, receive his services, commune or lie down with him in the same dwelling.

Pc 74, Hitting a bhikkhu

Hitting a bhikkhu in anger is a pācittiya, an unordained person is a dukkaṭa offense.

It is not a factor whether the other person is hurt or not.

It is not an offense to hit another person when being in physical danger and wanting to escape.

Pc 75, Threatening gesture

Raising the palms or making some other threatening gesture out of anger.